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Supernatural Stories – Instantaneous Healing! November 2, 2009

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Continuing with my Supernatural Stories,  I remembered this one from when I was in Tampa on the Break Free conference with Warfare Plus Ministries – the umbrella body of New Beginnings Fellowship, where I had gone for my deliverance training.  I was staying with two of the guys Michael and David in their room that night, spending time with the group. (My aunt lives in Florida, so for the majority of the trip I was staying at her her house.)

Michael and I were talking up a storm, about anything and everything – about what we were learning at the conference, about family etc.  Michael was asking me questions about God and about ministry and I was answering to the best of my ability, as well.  He was telling me about his son and was asking me to pray for him and stuff.  We talked long into the night and finally drifted off to sleep – typical behaviour when out on a road trip, right?

In the morning, however, he woke up – and told me his tonsils were swollen.  Just. Like. That.  I mean, he wasn’t sick or anything before.  It wasn’t like he was catching something that was going around.  I even think, if I remember correctly that he was fine in the morning, but somehow this thing dropped on him and he got hoarse and felt his tonsils swelling.

All I remember is, he asked for prayer, so I was starting to ask God to heal him when I interrupted myself and felt faith rise up within me.

“I ask you Lord, to heal – No…”, I said, getting up and placing my hand gently on his throat, “I command healing NOW in the name of Jesus Christ. Be healed!”

His head rocked back a little, like if he’d been struck on the forehead.  When he brought his head up again, the pain had gone.  Instantly.

Just remembered that and thought I’d share it.  Isn’t God amazing????????

(What’s also amazing is how short this post is! HA!)

Supernatural Stories – Blessings and Curses October 21, 2009

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I remembered my Supernatural Stories series the other day (actually, every time I look at my stats – realizing that people like to read them!)  and I said to myself that I really should do another one. 

I was listening to a Derek Prince Legacy Radio program yesterday entitled “The Nature of Blessings and Curses” where Derek Prince explained what blessings are and what curses are, and it made me remember something that happened to me when I was young….

I remembered having a diplomatic discussion with my parents as a teenager as to appropriate forms of punishment. (Don’t ask!)   My father decided then that, as I hated going outside for any reason (I lived on my computer and in books) that one day, when I needed to be disciplined, he would make me go outside (at around 7 pm – which is dark in Barbados) and water our trees that he had planted on our land.  We live on a good size property with dozens of trees planted orchard style around our house. 
It was a good punishment for me – I hated the idea of dropping my books to go outside at that hour to water plants!  My mother tried to help me by suggesting that I talk to the plants while I watered them.  I thought that was a brilliant idea, so I named each plant and literally swore at it as I watered it. 
She was right.  It did make me feel better… but not for long!
I forgot to adjust my language and my volume when I got close to the kitchen window – where my father was washing dishes…. and I ended up getting a spanking anyway… :lol:
But you know what?  I realized over the next couple months that each plant that I cursed had stunted growth…. would not grow at all, bent and gnarled!
I mentioned the plants’ pradicament to my then girlfriend (now my wife) Lesanne about a year later.  When I told the whole story, she told me that I should go back to our orchard and bless the plants again.  She reminded me that we’re created in the image of God, and as such we have creative power in our mouths.  Added to that, she reminded me, as a prophetic person I have double responsibility to be careful what I say.
So, sheepishly, I went outside and reversed the curses and blessed the ground….
And years later, the trees are even taller than me!!!!!!

MSN Testimony! October 1, 2009

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I’ve again had an awesome time praying for someone over an MSN chat. I hope these testimonies bless those who read as much as they bless me for the telling!  Here’s another way God is shown POWERFUL!

I have been home on sick leave from work, and I’ve just started a conversation with one of my friends.  Just after the small talk, “Hi, how are you!” kind of opening I said to her:

I was gonna ask you how your relationship with God was going [but] God interrupted me and gave me the word, “Fire-carrier”….  with the sense that you should ask him for ways to extend the reach of his Spirit beyond the church building and carry it to those around you, as it is inside you already!    Your passion for him is radiating off of u… I can see it from here!

That doesn’t mean u don’t have bad days   Just that God sees the direction of your heart and it is still towards him, no matter what’s going on right now.

She replied:

wowww   as usual God is always on time and i really thank God for you and even more for your openess to allow God to use you as a voice piece…i have something on my mind (cant share it as yet) but that is just some confirmation.

I told her:

don’t have to share it with me ….  His presence is around you like sparks …. you need to stop doubting who HE is in YOU and ACT

To this she replied:

uhhhumm i keep getting that … i need to get up and do something i am a bit too relaxed.

So I gave her encouragement about time management (yeah right, ME??? Ha!) only by telling her to let God tell her what to do, when, and for how long.  She told me she set her timetable deliberately so that if she got a job she could go to class in the evenings.  No job has come yet, so she wonders what else God has in store – she told me that she felt God had given her something in her heart that she should do – so I said, “God says GO FOR IT”

So near the end of the conversation I gave her my cell number and said to her:

I know that there’s a reason I connect with your spirit every time we talk - so I want to keep u close lolol

whenever we talk the prophetic flows freely. That shows me that there’s a like spirit there, shows me that u’re open to it; shows me that God has plans for u

She replied:

uhhum – you’re telling me and it always leaves me in awe because it encourages or re-affims and it is just when i need it.

uhhumm - now this is profound! wowwww …. but Lord i thank you

(Isn’t that the goal of prophetic ministry?  God is awesome!)

I have sensed that she herself has prophetic giftings, so I said:

I want to see you step out coz I am sure that you have a prophetic streak in you that you’re afraid to use …. or don’t know it’s there.  I feel like you get thoughts about others but never say it coz you’re afraid you might be wrong … you know what? I started out like that too! Just have to jump for it and take the risk… and realize that you don’t miss it as much as you think you would!

To wish she exclaimed:

OOMMGG (g=goodness) ROBERT u need to stop it!!!!! no i am jus kiddin

(Sounds like I hit a nerve, eh?) :lol:

While she continued to exclaim I told her

You have gifts that Father wants to nurture and release – not only back into your Wesleyan context – but outside into the world!  There are people who are not going to grace the inside of a church but will meet God as u speak into their souls, revealing what God has shown you.

What is happening with you is that you are seeing – for yourself – that God is real, his VOICE is real and HE KNOWS YOU; so that you can use that as testimony to others when u tell them what God is showing u for THEM.  When others challenge u, u can say, I know it’s real – it HAPPENED TO ME!

She confessed that I was right and that she never went ahead because of fear, so I started to pray over her right there, praying against fear and releasing the BOLDNESS OF THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH. I said in part:

ROAR with GOD’S VOICE

lay hands on the sick and they shall recover

prophesy to the breath and let the Spirit revive those slain (Ez 37)

God has a mighty work for her to do

Do not fear the uninformed… God breaks you from your tradition NOW

in the name of JESUS CHRIST

He wants to be able to move you wherever, whenever

give him ur allegiance!

When I asked her what happened she said:

well i even as you prayed i prayed and believed God with you and yes i yawned and i felt a release and i started shaking and said something i did not understand and i kept saying Jesus is Lord

She told me later she’d heard the tongues in her head, but this was the first time she’d spoken them out loud.

All I have to say is: WOW. GOD IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone have anything else they’d like to share?

Testimony: Another soul free! April 7, 2009

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“Glory to God in the highest heaven
Peace to all men on the earth…”

I have just come from two nights of deliverance ministry – praying with a friend of mine in South Africa! We’ve been starting at 3 AM my time because I am about 6 hours behind her in Durban, so it was 9 AM her time, and we spanned two days because I needed to prepare myself for work at 5:30 my time….. but SHE IS FREE!!!!!!!

She was very prepared, and very willing. Exercising God’s authority routed the demonic hordes, and yesterday, although only half done, she was so light inside she just wanted to go and celebrate! We finished the second half this morning, and again, I exercised the authority in the name of the Lord and routed many devils.

Again, God showed his awesome power over distance – and I bless God for the Internet, and for Skype, that made the connection possible. It was great to hear her voice for a change rather than connecting via words on a page! So unfortunately, there is no transcript to post this time, but God has connected me to some wonderful people in South Africa!

One thing that really stood out – when we were battling a spirit of depression, it did not want to leave! We battled and battled for a while, until I called on the angels of war to drag this foul demon out of her. She told me that as soon as I called out “Angels!” she felt this cloud lift off of her – immediately!

Another story – one demon tried to call me out on a particular sin. I had fallen in that area, but had repented before God prior to this ministry time. The demon was trying to shame me – I was ministering to a female, and my wife was also there. But it had the opposite effect: shame is not a part of my make up! I laughed out loud and told that demon, “We are not dealing with me. We are dealing with you! My sins are under the blood… and so are YOU. COME OUT!” In “two two’s”, as we say in Barbados, or within a short space of time, that demon came right out of her!

We battled a flirtatious multi personality as well that she named and renounced before it left – and a spirit of poverty that was on her family through a curse. A spirit of suicide also was on her via a curse, but every one of them were subject to the name and authority of JESUS CHRIST!

HALLELUJAH!!!!

Deliverance and Healing April 2, 2009

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Coming out of my last post on supernatural stories was a question (keep ‘em comin’, Arch!)…

So, how does a deliverance differ from a healing?

As I see it, a healing is where God supernaturally restores the physical body, whereas a deliverance is the restoration of the soul (or inner man.) To me, they are basically the same – in fact, a lot of physical ailments have spiritual demonic roots!

While in Tampa, I was taught in the advanced school of deliverance course that there are a lot of devilish spirits that attack us physically, and some healing cannot be just taken, but must be wrestled from the clutches of the demonic. In a later post (only because I don’t have my notes with me!) I will delve into this topic a little deeper.

Sorry for not posting recently – I’ve been extremely busy … and when I have sat to post… it’s like a giant caterpilllar comes by and eats all my ideas before they get a chance to be put onto the screen! That’s the reason for this uncharacteristically short post, too…. pray for me that the Lord helps me get rest and that he inspires me with what he wants for this blog!

Salvation Testimony: Social Media Salvation! March 27, 2009

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I know that I had a post to write concerning deliverance and healing – but I have to post this! God constantly blows me away with his power and goodness….

While sitting at my computer today I had a Gmail chat with one of my friends, J, in Africa. She had a young family member, T, who wanted some advice… who felt smothered at home because she is female as well as being the first born. My friend thought about me because she thought there might be some deliverance involved.

After we started to chat, T told me that she’s not the type of girl that can sit and do nothing for long periods of time. Since she’s doing nothing at home all the time, she finds herself disobeying her parents and doing things her friends do. She said to me, “I’m messed up and I need help.”

As she talked I heard the voice of a teenager that wanted to grow up, that wanted to be accepted. It seemed as though there were overall control issues (at least from her perspective) .. I could hear every teenager in her voice “My parents treat me as if I was 15-16 years old. My mother doesn’t let me do anything on my own… my dad gets angry if I want to be treated as an adult…” I know, I’ve been there too, right?

So I told J that I’d be willing to join her in praying for T… and as we started to pray, I started to hear the Spirit whispering “1 Cor 13.” I told T that God was giving her the definition of love! J continued praying and said to the Lord that she does believe that T did need to be reassured of God’s love and the love of others around her. As I assured T of my love for her, I started to prophesy to her…

me: The word says ‘when father and mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up’ in the psalms. You feel as though they have rejected you, have forsaken u, but God is taking u up right now

j: Thank you Father for you are her true FATHER! Onlly u Lord know that T has these Fatherly issues!

me: yes

j: Praise you Lord for using Robert! Continue downloading knowledge and wisdom to him

I continued, words of knowledge and prophecy kept coming:

me: I was praying … she feels abandoned, but the Lord is saying that he will release the spirit of adoption over her. She just needs to accept it

When I heard that, I knew what was coming next – an opportunity for another life to be snatched from Satan’s clutches! So I called her by her name and I said:

T, do u know Jesus Christ? Would you accept him right now? God wants to be your FATHER?

j: T verbally responds – YES I WILL ACCEPT! YES

me: AMEN :)

j: hallelujah!!!!

me: Do u believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and do u accept him as your Lord and saviour right now?

j: I sense such an awesome presence Robert!
Yes

me: Well pray this: “Father, I accept your sacrifice and accept Jesus into my life.”
j: Praise you Lord! (T is doing it robert)

me: “I turn away from all sin and believe that my life is changed right now”

j: AMEN!

me: “I accept you, Lord, as my FATHER”

j: thank you Jesus! hallelujah!

me: “And ask you to heal me from the pain of not being fathered properly”
“I Thank you that my life is changed and that my name is now written in the Lamb’s book of life”
“I accept what you have done on the Cross – and I am YOURS! AMEN”

j: Praise You Lord!

From there, I wanted to pray that she gets filled with the Spirit of God immediately:

me: The angels are rejoicing, and so am I! I pray right now that the POWER OF GOD would overshadow T now! SEAL HER with the HOLY SPIRIT! J, place your hands on her for me.

j: doing just that!

me: IN the name of JESUS CHRIST I release the anointing of the Spirit of GOD that she be baptised in the SPIRIT RIGHT NOW. LET HER FEEL THE PRESENCE OF GOD in LOVE and JOY. Let laughter bubble forth from her belly! Remove the spirit of depression! I curse the spirits of suicide. I reject the demons of rejection! IN the NAME OF JESUS
“He gives beauty for ashes and the oil of joy for the spirit of heaviness” Is 61:3
LOOSE HER NOW
EVERY FOUL SPIRIT
LET HER GO
SHE IS NOW A CHILD OF JESUS CHRIST
(tell me what’s happening)

My friend told me that she DID feel the presence of God when we prayed:

j: she feels like a breeze over her

me: lol
keep coming Holy Spirit! that’s the presence of God fill her to completion, to overflowing
tell her to speak out in faith…let the tongues flow NOW. I’m putting my hand on the screen and releasing the power of God through my own tongues now

Then I saw a mini vision:

I just saw something representing sludge being pushed out… she’s being cleaned out from the inside. T, how do u feel, honey?

jady3375: praying with her here!

I continued to pray:

me: the power of God is evident. he is present to heal and to deliver… and to SATISFY. I pray right now that the SATISFACTION of GOD be upon her. That she is satisfied by GOD HIMSELF and not needing men’s approval!

j: Thank you robert- T did expereince the power of God! When i placed my hand on her chest and then her tummy – she felt like a release… like something loosened…………
she will be staying over with me tonight – i will continue praying!

Isn’t God awesome???? I had a final word of knowledge of a personal matter for T, and J confirmed it and glorified God as I prophetically spoke out words of restoration!

GOD IS GLORIOUS!!!!!!! I’m so glad that the Internet can and IS being used to extend the Kingdom of God as easily as this? Thank God for the Internet :lol: – it makes it so much easier to “go ye into ALL the world….” without leaving my seat!

Supernatural Stories – Called to Deliverance Ministry March 16, 2009

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I thought I’d continue my stories with how I got called into the deliverance ministry. As I’ve said before, I was introduced to the ministry of Drs Paul and Claire Hollis by my wife, who saw a Break Free deliverance conference that was hosted by Pastor Ferdinand Nicholls.

At this time, my wife and I were having problems … we were arguing a lot and we really were struggling to keep our marriage afloat. We actually had started to see a counselor, when I went to our annual Gospelfest’s sunset concert and was given a flier for this “Break Free” conference. I read it, but wasn’t too interested in going. She read it, and suggested that we attend. When we went, we were blown away by the teaching about open doors to the demonic into our lives, and how to get rid of that demonic infestation… and we both knew this is what we needed.

So we went to get personal ministry, and we went through the process and did the homework assigned and each had separate deliverance sessions. We were both set free from major issues in our lives – and immediately saw a more harmonious household!

The last day of the conference, Dr. Paul Hollis was scheduled to speak on “How to Stay Free” .. the premise being that the satanic forces that have been expelled will try to return, and we needed to have an understanding so that we could maintain our deliverance. We came in during the worship, and as we settled into our seats a saxophonist came out and started to play a wonderfully soulful song (I forget which one .. it was a couple years ago.)

While worshiping, I suddenly saw a vision – I was kneeling before the Throne of God, and Christ himself was tapping me on each shoulder with a long bright sword! As I became aware of the conference room again, I was in tears…. I didn’t understand it, but I knew God was calling me for something. I was crying, and the presence of the Lord came on me and I shook gently, similar to the low vibrations one would feel when touching a wire that is plugged into a power source…

After the message, Pastor Paul (which is what he’s called by his church people) asked all who felt that they were being called to the deliverance ministry to stand. I stood, along with another 100 people or so. He also asked those who felt that they were called to serve as Christian counselors (their ministry is an accredited college for Christian based psychology as well) and another large group stood. He said that he felt the Lord leading him to give an impartation, where he and his team (around twenty people) would lay hands on and prophesy over everyone who has stood up. Then it clicked! God was knighting me! He was calling me to the deliverance ministry!

The line of people who had stood up bent around the room – there was over a hundred people in that line! When I got to the front I received prophetic words confirming my call to the deliverance ministry from people I had obviously only met via that meeting. That was a great, profound experience!

I later read that Dr. Claire Hollis had received a similar vision of having a sword placed on her when she was called to the ministry as well!

Since then, I’ve gone to Tampa twice and participated in training – and I had been seeing demons routed by the name of Jesus from before this event… but this is one of the definitive moments in my life – and the start to the current ministry I am now in.

Supernatural Stories: Alex’s Deliverance February 26, 2009

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Coming from the last post, where Alex had been demonized and we tried to get him set free the night before, I will write today about the next day, when he finally got free! (And although it was an awesome experience, it’s not as such a long post as the last one!)

We had a wonderful night, as the last post had said, seeing the miracle with the oil – and we had thought that Nathan and all the other demons were dispatched.  The next day being Sunday, we bundled up together and went to one of the assemblies represented by a couple of participants of the retreat.

We went to this highly charismatic church that was held in one of the country’s secondary school halls, and had a pretty rip-roaring time …. just like the night before.

And then -

Alex manifested again!

Right in the church.

With a growl, he lept up and ran towards another guy (who I know he didn’t know in the natural) and gave him a great big bear hug!  We realized that the demons in Alex were identifying with the demons in this other guy…. but in the natural the guy was freaking out!  

Alex rushed outside and started trying to climb the walls again – and the intercessors and in house deliverance team followed him out and loudly started to try to cast out the demons, which – like last night – were making no move to leave.

We were all huddled in one area, watching the goings-on and feeling intimidated when one of us, a guy I’ll call Will, suddenly rushed up to him and knelt by Alex’s head (he was on the floor at the time.)  Rather than all the screaming and commanding,  Will knelt down, looked into Alex’s eyes, and we just watched as Jesus’ love shined out from his eyes…. the demon didn’t want to look, and kept closing Alex’s eyes and turning his head, but Will kept gently bringing his head back and telling him, “Look at me. Look at me.”  He ministered love to Alex, gently telling him about Jesus’ love and how much he needed to be free.

I can’t remember how it happened, but suddenly, Alex was free!  The demons all were dispatched all with the name of Jesus in gentleness and love, rather than by using loud authoritative commands!  Just goes to show God is good… and does not work by man’s formulas!

Supernatural Stories: First Encounter with a Demon! February 24, 2009

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I promised some friends of mine that I would start a new series, where I gave testimoniesfrom my experience of supernatural experiences in my life.  This spins off of the Reminiscing posts from last year.  For those who may want to read them, go here, here and here.  They detail how I got exposed to the Spirit’s work, and then baptised in the Spirit!

Anyway…

Coming off of my deliverace series, I thought I would start of this supernatural series with the acount of my first encounter with a demon! (Actually this is a two for one special, because I can’t tell you that story without telling you the story of the first miracle I physically witnessed!)  So strap on your seatbelts!

If you have read the Reminiscing posts, you would know I grew up in a completely non-charismatic church.  I was a young firebrand who was in love with Jesus, but had never seen a literal miracle first hand, had only thought of demons while reading the Bible, and the presence of the Spirit was relegated to weeping at the altar rail…

By the time of this story, however, I had been a part of the Universities and Colleges’ Christian Fellowship (UCCF) for a couple years and so was accustomed to seeing the Spirit fall upon the gathering, especially in passionate worship.  This was one of those times.  There were close to 40 young people gathered in this house for a weekend retreat and we were having a glorious encounter with the Lord!  We had started singing without regard to time or schedules, and after around an hour or so of unadulterated worship, those who spoke in tongues were starting to break out as the Presence of God became thicker and thicker.  

One guy, who we’ll call Alex, started to speak in tongues along with others.  Ok, no issue there. Suddenly however, his voice changed. It became low, and gutteral – even although he seemed to still be speaking tongues at that point.  I heard it first, and I whipped my head around and shouted, “What the hell was that????” (Not to offend, for those sensitive…. I was shocked!) The others who then heard him were as shocked as I was – and then there was a mass  exodus away from him!  And then, there was me – and a young lady who had been filled with the Spirit the night before!  All the people who knew what demons were because of coming from some sort of charismatic background were fleeing, and this girl and I – babes in the faith compared – were running toward him

By this time Alex had manifested completely (was taken over, for the uninformed) and was climbing on the lattice wall at the back like an animal.  A couple others gained some measure of courage and we wrestled him to the ground and started to command this spirit out of him!  For a while he grunted and growled while six of us sat on him to keep him down.  Then, out of the blue – one of the demonic entities spoke up… in a cultured English accent!

“I’m not coming out,” he said.

“In Jesus’ name, identify yourself!”  One of the others, more experienced than I, picked up.

“My name is Nathan.”

So we tried and tried to cast out Nathan and he wouldn’t go.  He was resolute and defiant. 

At one point I got so frustrated I jumped on Alex’s chest and started thumping him!

“Come out!” *thump*  ”In Jesus’ name, come out!”  *thump*  

Nathan said, “You’re hurting Alex!”  But I knew that demons are pathological liars – so I just continued, saying, “You’re lying!”  *thump* *thump*  :lol:  (It was later when I realized that Natan was probably telling the truth….. oops!)

(Disclaimer -For anyone who is reading this who is concerned that I am currently in the deliverance ministry – it was my first time and I was frustrated! It was also over ten years ago! Since that time I have had numerous experiences – and have been reputably trained as well – so no physical beatings will be employed to get the demons out of  your life!  Now – back to the story…)  :lol:  

While this was going on,  the girl who was with me tried to call her pastor, but – surprisingly – he didn’t seem interested to help!

Like I said, there were about six of us trying to minister to Alex, and the others were all outside in another room.  They were helping as best they knew how by praying and lustily singing songs about the Blood of Jesus.  One girl had a small bottle of baby oil, and she had the idea that she wanted everyone to be anointed and prayed over for protection.  The others agreed and, while still singing, the oil was tipped over again and again while, one by one, people’s foreheads were anointed and prayers were being sent up.

And then – disaster!

It was only a small bottle of oil – that was already less than half-full when the anointing started – and there were about 40 young people there…. so when around half the people still needed to be anointed, the oil ran out!   We didn’t know what to do! One girl grabbed the baby bottle, nearly empty, and cried out to the Lord.

“Father! We need more oil! We haven’t finished praying for everyone, and the oil has run out!  Please send as much oil as we need until we don’t need any more!”  We all agreed, crying out to the Lord in unison….

And then we looked at the bottle – which was empty… and we literally saw the oil reforming at the bottom of it!

The girl who had the bottle was wide-eyed as she poured out some more oil, and anointed three people.  This drained the oil that had been formed – but then it reformed again, to the same exact point as the last time!  Every time she anointed three people, the oil reformed to the same point, until everyone was anointed!   This miraculous provision of oil happened all night!

By this time, Alex had been able to come back to himself, with Nathan and the other demons dispatched…. or so we thought! (That’s another post!)  Then we realized that what he had been doing – which opened the door to his demonization – was playing io a heavy metal band record backwards (yes, this was before cd’s.)  This is called backmasking, is defined by Wikipedia as a technique  ” in which a sound or message is recorded backward onto a track that is meant to be played forward.”  He was testing the theory that heavy metal rock bands were using the technique to mask prayers and incantations to Satan.  He had good intentions; he was trying to test it so that he could warn the students in his Sunday School class against it – but he found himself repeating the incantations and thus inviting evil spirits into his own life.  

The oil continued to pour out.  Even when we stood the bottle on its end to drain out the oil for over fifteen minutes, it would grow right back up to the same point… and only stopped the next morning when one guy decided to wash it out with soap! :lol:  (I wondered later, when I was more mature,  if it should have been a sign that the demons hadn’t left Alex’s life even although they had seemed to have been ousted, and what would have happened had we used the oil to anoint him.)

But there’s the first story!  Next, I guess I will let you in on the story when Alex did get set free, the next morning (a Sunday) when we assembled with the church.  God is awesome!

Deliverance Questions: Revisited and Answered February 19, 2009

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Finally going to tackle some of the questions posed by another of my new commenters, Bleeders… (interesting nick, buddy!)  Here we go! I will try to answer them to the best of my ability, and encourage more conversation on this or any other topic posted here.

Bleeders starts with this.

(1) it certainly causes angst since there is no Biblical cases of a Christ-follower, indwelled by the Spirit of God and living as a new creation concurrently wrestling with possession by a demon. The lack of that kind of scenario really does make these debates more complicated.

First, let me reiterate what I mean by ‘possession.’  I do not mean that a person is totally owned by demonic forces.  I mean that at least one area of his life may be under demonic control, and thus he does not have complete freedom to choose to do right it that area. In fact, he may feel it is totally controlled by something else, and he is powerless to resist.  Because of this very real misunderstanding of the term ‘possessed’, I prefer to use the term ‘demonized’ or even ‘influenced.’

 That being said,  I agree that there are no explicit examples in Scripture of  ”a Christ-follower, indwelled by the Spirit of God and living as a new creation… wrestling with possession by a demon.”  Such is implied in Acts 5 in the story of Ananias and Saphira, where verse 3 says “Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?”  Again, I see that as not total depravity, but a choice that led to his demise.

(2) it’s been said the Devil can never own a Christian but he can certainly perch on our shoulder and whisper in our ear as long as we’re willing to be idle listeners!

Also agreed.  If someone, who says he is a Christ follower, consistently and wilfully listens and acts on the whispers of the enemy, he stops “living as a new Creation” and is in danger of being overtaken by the enemy.  Would that mean he “lost his salvation???”  A whole other topic!!!!!  All I know is that the word says that ”Not everyone who says to me, ‘LordLord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matt 7:21)

(3) counter question – can a demon-possessed person receive Christ without being first exorcised of the demon? If you say (logically) no, it’s likely because to accept and receive Christ as Lord would involve an usurpment (fun word) of the prior spiritual forces.

Well, actually in experience it’s the other way around.  One is usually led to Christ first, then, as the person now has the Holy Spirit living inside them, who assists with the casting out of the evil forces.  I agree with the analogy… to accept Jesus as Lord means to reject any other masters!  

By saying no, however, it also muddies the water for thinking demons could creep back in and co-exist with the Spirit of God. I suppose [Bajan]would suggest that the Spirit of God inhabits fully the spirit of a man, thus leaving the soulical and human realms open for business…but again, if Christ coming in requires an eviction, the creeping back in to possess (versus influence, inflict, tempt, etc.) is a 1 way street.

Christ coming in does not require an eviction, but it guards against the person being reinfected as easily. Again, the Scripture – Matt 12:43-45  …

 43“When an evil[a] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.44Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”  (Matt. 12:43-45)

and  Luke 11:24-26 as another account of the same verse

 24“When an evil[a] spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first.” (Luke 11:24-26)

Coming to Christ and following him, obeying him and living for him is the protection against the reinfestation of the demonic into a life.  

(4) Another question (Jesus liked using them – they clarify things in process): do you believe that a fully devoted Christ follower can be hijacked by a brood of demons despite being fully surrendered to Christ in his/her life? Or is this something you’d suggest saints are succeptible to only when derelect in their devotional pursuits – like being on a lone country road at night?

I alluded to this answer in the one above.  A fully devoted Christ follower who is living right and does not sin will not open areas for the enemy to enter.  As you put it, when we as believers are “[derelict] in their devotional pursuits “, or put less poetically, when we sin, we put ourselves in danger, just  ”like being on a lone country road at night.”  Sin opens doors that allow demons to manipulate, and they may manipulate only a little at first, but if we continue, we give more and more access to them, until we are fully consumed.

(5) Is succumbing to demonic influence, attack, perversion, misleadings and the like the same as being possessed? I guess it’s a case of semantics, but yet their is substance in the semantic difference. If I am led by demonic forces by “proxy” of my stupidity/slothfulness (spiritually), it is still different than being a victim, powerlessly overcome by Legion.

Succumbing to temptation, demonic attack, perversion etc is NOT the same as possession, again if you are looking at possession as total demonic control.  Every time you sin, it is as though you leave a door unlocked and slightly ajar.  In this way, the demonic may have access to an area in your life.  You will still be a Christian, still loving Jesus, but yet there are areas which you may find it harder to resist temptation, harder to shun the evil.  And every time you sin, you crack that door a little farther ajar, leaving more exposed…

This does not mean you are totally “powerless against Legion” …  it is at this point where you have two choices.  There are demonic elements in areas of your life that should be cast out – the process of deliverance… or you can go with the flow and stop  living as a “a Christ-follower, indwelled by the Spirit of God and living as a new creation”  and continue to open that door until you are fully exposed to the enemy and fully “possessed” (as you put it.)  

The Christian who has demonic entrapments in an area of his or her life can get rid of those entrapments. That’s what deliverance is.  Does that mean that they are owned by Satan? No. But that is exactly what Satan is aiming for!  He is content with a little area of weakness at first, which, if left unchecked, will grow until he has complete control of the entire being.  ”The enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy….” Thank God the verse in John 10:10 continues! “…but [Christ] has come so that [we] can have life, and have it more abundantly!!”  Deliverance is part of Christ’s ministry, to make sure that Satan’s plan to “steal, kill and destroy” is thwarted!